Lankavatara 2:V & 2:VI:1-2

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All right.

Welcome, everyone.

I was just saying this is a really kind of a special and a big moment for me to, for the first time, really publicly state a piece of work that’s been kind of a lifetime in the making, especially over the last six to eight years.

And my hope is that I can succinctly provide an orientation within 10 to 15 minutes so that we spend most of our time kind of discussing what this might mean for us.

But in trying to compress the orientation so much, that might leave a little bit of need for further dialogue.

But I’d rather that be directed by your questions instead of being directed by what I think might be relevant.

Okay.

So that’s the idea, an introduction, and then basically a big discussion around what this might mean for us.

I’ll wrap up my orientation with some, a little bit of hopes and dreams of what I think it might mean.

But we’ll have to see whether or not that resonates.

But before I launch into that, though, I’d love to just do a round of check-in, arrival.

And I’ll start by saying that most of you know me.

Some of you, we’ve worked together very closely for a long time.

So this is our first time on a call together.

So my name is Dan Rottenham.

I have been doing transformational work for a long time, mostly through martial arts for the first whole bunch of years, and then for about the last decade more formally in Zen.

But also explore alchemy, Taoism, and… No alchemy and Taoism is enough to say about that, quite extensively.

And so you have all been invited here because through what I know about you, you are also kind of working at the fringes of what current maps and lineages can support.

And you’re starting to ask questions about, okay, well, how do I go live this thing?

Okay, I’ve got this.

Now, I don’t want a dogmatic thing.

I want to create a solution that is open and not gate locked and doesn’t adhere to a whole bunch of principles from 2000 years ago, right?

You’re walking the edge of, well, I can deconstruct myself, but how do I reconstruct myself?

I’m not exiting worlds.

I’m trying to bring it into the world.

What does that look like?

And so these are the questions that I believe that we’re all asking and we’re all engaging in as leaders in our areas that kind of inspired me to invite you to this call.

So if I may, I’d like to just have a little go around your name and maybe something you’d like the other folks to know about you.

And also, if there’s anything specifically that hooked you into saying yes to this group, besides we have a relationship, and I said, hey, I’d really like you to be here, which is a good enough reason.

But if there’s something else I’d like to know about it before I start the intro.

So Luke, do you want to kick us off?

And then we’ll go around to Nick, Reese, Jizai, and Kevin.

Yep.

Hey, everybody.

Luke.

Kevin and Reese are two of my best friends on the planet.

And Jizai and Nick, I just did Jonah Chorus with, so I know you both too.

I’ve never gotten to be with you in person.

I am, this part of this came out of like a call from, that I have with me last week.

I’ve kind of been seeing him once a month or so, since this Jonah Chorus, I’ve kind of worked intermittently with him over the last couple years.

And the frameworking that he presented to me of evolutionary sovereignty, just it felt so alive, and so right, and so intentional, and in alignment with what I’m already doing with people.

In all the contexts of waking, living life.

And recently, I co-own a breath education platform.

We train teachers, we lead retreats, we have an online thing that’s live, that’s a live daily breathe.

And then I work really privately with a lot of clients in the domains of breath and breath awareness and meditation and the opportunity to be honest with themselves in a conversation with somebody else in the same container.

And Kevin and Reese, I kind of said, like, I think that you guys should at least be on this call to see if it feels like right for you.

It’s the six calls and the framework of it, and I’ll let you kind of get into it soon, Dan.

And I’ve said enough already, but I’m just really, I just feels really alive for me.

And being in touch with Dave too, I know he kind of felt the same relative to the kind of work that I’m doing in the world.

And it feels like something that I already know that I could really be behind as a articulation of what I do as a cronut.

You know, cronut’s like a cross between a croissant and a donut.

When you hear that, most people go like, yeah, I want that.

And evolutionary sovereignty is the same.

Yep, stoked to be here.

Great, thank you.

Hi, good morning, everyone.

Go Padres.

Yeah, my name’s Nick, sometimes Shanyi.

I am a ceremonialist and musician and a big fan of Umi.

And I guess what intrigued me about being here was if I was going to make a spiritual meal, these are all my favorite spices to work with.

And, you know, the fact that, you know, you know, the fact that, you know, I know your ability to synthesize and put things together in a coherent way.

And I’m looking forward to hearing what’s next.

So I’m in.

Thank you, everyone.

I’m Reese, and currently sitting looking at the ocean right now.

It’s a beautiful day.

I’m here just as a curious mind looking to expand what I can bring to the work that I do in the world.

I don’t really have too much background other than an email Luke sent me and his word on it, which usually leads me to good places.

So yeah, my focus is primarily with breathing.

But I also have my own curiosities of all these different things that I’m sure you guys are all into and talking about.

And so yeah, just looking for ways to expand what I do beyond just the breath.

I know it kind of connects into all this stuff, too.

So yeah, just have a curious mind and excited to hear more about the framework of what you’re creating.

And I’m honored to be invited to be here without you even knowing me.

So yeah, thanks for having me.

Thank you.

Jizai here.

Just finished up the JANA course under Dan’s leadership with Chenyi and Luke.

Umi and I go back about five years now.

Umi was one of my primary teachers for my priest training, Zen Buddhist priest and a transformational coach.

I’m curious as to what this next unfolding, the structure of it, may look like for us as a group, for me personally and my work in the world.

And still sort of dancing in the void of emptiness after my JANA course and a lot of space right now, a lot of space and trying to really figure out where I put my time and my energy constructively for the work that I do in the world.

And yeah, good to see you guys and deeply curious.

I’m in.

Thank you.

And over to Kevin.

Hey, good morning, everyone.

Kevin here.

I also am looking at the ocean in Carlsbad.

I just got off work.

Yeah, to be honest, I know next to nothing about this.

So same as Reese.

I was introduced to Umi by Luke, and then I did the JANA adepts course.

The first one, I don’t remember when it was, a couple of years ago.

I sensed some real deepness in Umi and his ability to teach and kind of point, give useful pointers.

So we haven’t really connected since then, but it was a welcome text that I got from Umi.

So I’m happy to be here.

Just my background is I started with Vipassana and have since kind of transitioned over to Zen for about the last five or six years with Zen.

And then I have a Qigong, Jamjong kind of standing practice as well with a teacher.

So I look forward to learning a little bit more about what this is.

And yeah, I’m happy to be here with you guys.

Thank you.

Thank you all for your presence and for your check-in and just noticing an intuitive sense of like, this is the right group.

This is the right people.

And whether or not it ends up resonating in a way that keeps you engaged or whether or not this is just a passing curiosity remains to be seen, but I feel like we’ve got the right people here.

I did just receive a message from Yosha and Dave who is dealing with a family emergency and in the midst of that will not be able to make our call.

He sends his apologies for that and also not really because he’s where he needs to be doing what he needs to be doing, but he’s glad that we’re recording it.

And on his behalf, I’ve been working with Dave for six or gosh, it feels like a long time.

It might be six or seven years now, but maybe it’s not that long, five years.

In any case, we’ve been training together for a long time and he started to incorporate a lot of these principles in his own coaching business and in his own life.

So he, of us is probably the closest to a lot of what I’m about to talk about.

So, you know, for those of you who know him, if you want to reach out to get kind of a perspective on what it’s been like for somebody who’s been kind of growing into the system with me, he would be a good person to talk to.

So all that said, I would like to now introduce the thing that we’re here to be introduced to and the working name for it is evolutionary sovereignty.

That’s kind of a technical name, meaning that I gave it or I’m working with it under that name because it means something very precise to me, but it definitely needs workshopped because it’s too much to say.

So most of the time I’ll just say ES and ES is kind of a paradigm.

I don’t want to go too far into backstory because that would use a lot of time.

But what I do want to say about it is that like most of you, I had extensive training in things that I used to navigate my life.

So I had learned a lot of maps and I had learned a lot of skills within the terrain that those maps covered and, you know, they didn’t work when shit really hit the fan.

I ended up developing functional neurological disorder, which is a severe decoherence between my mind and my body.

So they say form is emptiness and emptiness in form.

Well, for me, those two stopped communicating and I ended up basically losing my ability to walk, living in agonizing pain.

I had to shut down my martial arts business.

I wasn’t able to play with my kids.

I was taking all these experimental drugs.

I was getting lots of EMGs.

I ended up talking to like five different neurologists and before I got the diagnosis because it was crazy what was going on and eventually got the diagnosis of functional neurological disorder.

Again, like I said, it meant that my mind and body had decohered resulting in all of these symptoms.

The theory is that that happens because of accumulated psycho-emotional stress and trauma and the outlook for it or the prognosis for it is extremely poor.

Traditional methods of working with the condition lead to about a 10% recovery rate and that recovery is typically partial.

You know, optimistically you might see numbers like 70 to 80 or 20 to 30% recovery but I’ve never met anyone who’s recovered as fully as I have and what happened is I ended up in a terrain that had no map and so the systems didn’t work.

The skills didn’t work.

They weren’t transferable so something needed to happen.

It was a crucible where I had to put together more like bushcrafting skills.

Okay, I’m in uncharted territory.

I have no map.

I have nowhere where I’m going.

I have terrain that no one else is discovering or talking about.

What do I need to do and so I researched and I studied and I trained and eventually found out that there are different pieces of information, you know, functional MRI images of people with FND along with studies in neuroconsciousness and how body and mind interact led me to a hypothesis that through deep meditation I could fix this by seeing how consciousness, how my body was being created by consciousness and how consciousness was recreating my body and that the identity interplay was fixable.

I could restructure it.

I believed I could restructure it and not have to live in a wheelchair and so I did and after that I was like, well, as a bodhisattva, if I’m taking this bodhisattva vow seriously, I can’t be content with that.

I have to figure out how to articulate it.

I have to figure out how what happened worked.

I have to figure out what it takes for other people to learn these skills and through that I discovered that this is much broader based applicability in general healing, transformational work, skill development, leadership, whatever and so the last six years it’s been kind of piecemealing it together and kind of articulating what worked for me in a way that now made it something that I could use as I teach all of these other things that I do and so at this point now I’d like to just talk a little bit about the architecture that is that, the bushcrafting skills that they are and the ability to make maps and the ability to choose how to create the terrain which is a whole another level and yeah, before I do any big questions or interjections from anyone before I get into kind of more nitty-gritty details, tracking, okay, so I’ve identified that there’s kind of six and a half, there’s seven aspects, six aspects that go into what this is and the way that the first aspect is kind of like paradigm logic, it’s a functional structured philosophy that we can use to really take on a non-dual perspective, right, so they say form is emptiness and emptiness is form, you know, or you can say that there’s spirit, breath and body, right, breath being the bridge between spirit and body, so how do these interact, right, what’s the process by which one becomes many and many returns to one, it’s kind of like the language around or the descriptive functional language around those experiences of how we actually are creating our reality all the time, whether consciously or unconsciously, like what are the mechanisms and how that works, so that’s a field or an aspect that I believe or that I’ve started to integrate into whatever I’m teaching that has proven very effective and I think answers a lot of questions that we come with with our spiritual practice.

The next aspect is the inner architecture, so how do I deal with my thoughts, my emotions, my identity making, my capacity for witnessing luminosity and non-dual realization, how do I work in all of these layers to effectively create myself moment by moment to live the life that I want to live, right, how do I make sure that thoughts don’t get the best of me and end up leading to an action that I regret, how do I go another layer deeper and look at my preferences for events and my emotions and how my behaviors are regulating that so that they spin off thoughts and actions that lead to events, right, how do I look beneath that to the very way that I create meaning out of the sensations that are happening in my body, right, how do I examine the texture of the breath moment by moment to understand what’s happening in this whole ecosystem, right, beyond that what’s the witnessing awareness, how do I cultivate witnessing awareness that then all of these things take place in, beyond that how do I see how this is I’m creating the world and the world is creating me in real time and that’s kind of the first thing that emerged from this because that’s what I need to do moment by moment in order to not decohere and go back to losing my legs, go back to ridiculous tremors, go back to insane amounts of pain, right, yeah, so the next aspect is kind of lifestyle and this is where a lot of the stuff comes in like zen, martial arts, alchemy work and either eastern through qigong and daoism or western through tarot, these are kind of my four through lines but they can be anything, they could be in surfing, they could be firefighting, they could be taking walks in the lake, they could be doing the dishes, you know, in a way it doesn’t really matter, it’s about what are the things that I do all the time that give me a chance to practice these skills really intentionally so that when I get out in terrain that I don’t know how to navigate my skills are highly refined, right, it would kind of be like, you know, going into your backyard to work on making a fire before you go on a backpacking trip so that you knew a dozen different ways to make fire so you could survive, right, this aspect c, these lifestyle qualities are the places where you go practice those skills and then aspect d is something that everyone here is familiar with and that’s meditation, that’s either that’s pranayama, that’s pratyahara, sense withdrawal, that’s embodied sits, that’s qigong but that gets really deep and how do we move through the different meditative absorptions and unto sense cessation so that we can really investigate how form becomes emptiness and emptiness returns to form like we’re using that not just for the incredible amount of well-being that arises from those practices but to gain functional direct experience about what is being discussed in class in aspect a the inner architecture and in our lifestyles and there’s aspect e which is basically just being around a master and you’ve all had this experience you’ve entered into a space with a musician or you’ve entered into a space with a someone who’s just better at something than you and even if they’re not teaching you anything just being around them starts to teach you all sorts of things, right, and aspect e is finding a way to be in community with people who have skills you don’t have so you can see how they do them so you can get better at it, right, and we all are transmitters and we’re all receivers all the time and then aspect the final aspect is sacred architecture and that is where we intentionally engage with texts on human wisdom.

I really like to use Buddhist sutras and Jizai and Shunyi can attest to how engaging in sacred literature in this way totally forces you to reorganize how you do things.

It’s an incredibly reconstructive process to engage sacred literature and symbols this way.

We do the same thing with tarot and the western alchemical framework.

We do the same thing with the Tao Te Ching and so that’s a big piece of the puzzle too in terms of reconstructing what’s possible for us and coming into the truth of how we create our reality.

So that’s the thing.

It’s a big thing.

I’m not going to try and make it sound simple.

It’s a very holistic, very integrated, comprehensive way of engaging life and you don’t necessarily need to do all the things all the time on purpose but all of the things are happening all of the time whether we do them on purpose or not.

And that’s one of the things that I discovered is that we are creating our reality whether we’re doing it on purpose or we’re allowing it to happen unconsciously and I believe that we have an obligation to do it on purpose.

So that’s the general structure and the last thing I’ll say in this little orientation section before we turn it over to open discussion is that I believe that this is an incredibly powerful framework that can help whatever you do.

Whatever team you’re leading, whatever business you’re running, whatever client you’re coaching, whatever ceremony you’re doing, whatever skill you’re developing.

This is, to me, this is the mechanics by which those things happen and you can leverage them to do it incredibly efficiently and effectively.

So I would like to offer that I’m here to share more of this with you if it resonates and if it doesn’t that’s totally fine.

I’m also here to say that I would like to support you in turning around and bringing it into whatever area of your life is most relevant.

Whether that’s just enhancing interpersonal relationships or bringing something extra to the business you already have.

Whether it’s white labeled and no one even knows that it has anything to do with me or that’s all the big question.

What can we do with this to start to get it out into the world more?

Including what can I do to support you in the journey that you’re already on that touches into so many of these aspects already and maybe you’re complete and you don’t necessarily need anything from me and again that’s fine.

But if there is something we can do together I would like to discover that.

The one option was a series of calls and then followed by like group peer support for how this is unfolding and that’s kind of a just a general idea of the type of thing that might be possible.

So with that there’s the opening expose.

Thank you very much for your time and attention and if you have any questions or reflections we have about 35 minutes left on the schedule to to have those discussions.

I’m just going to jump in and say first of all I’m in however it’s formatted I’m in.

I love it.

It really aligns it’s like it’s so much it’s so organized and in alignment with the work that I do with people.

It also touches in without being caught in like lineage.

I won’t even say anymore right you know.

Hierarchy stuff.

How do you foresee it like every other week a call?

75 minute calls what’s it look like and then what were you let’s talk more about that I mean if that’s what I would just offer.

So I think what was jiving for me was the idea that over the next six to eight weeks probably weekly we would anyone who’s interested we would gather together and I would kind of get more into detail about these aspects or what do they really look like what are we doing what is the being what is the being becoming cycle and what are the what are the things that we’re going to be becoming cycle and what are the you know just kind of teach the framework in much more detail so that you can start applying it and using it as kind of a within us transmission of it.

And then the idea would be that that would be enough basis because you already are advanced practitioners that I don’t think it will take much for you to start to see how this ties into stuff that you’re already doing and to start integrating.

So after that then the idea would we would maybe go to once every three weeks or once every four weeks where we come back as like a peer support group and it’s like okay and I’m using this thing this really worked hey I’m I worked with this client and we use this technique and that really worked or hey wait this didn’t quite jive now I’m really having this kind of question and doing that kind of like ongoing peer support group while we eventually turn this and what I’d like to turn this into is a whole another option for seekers to become finders and for people who have found to know how to engage the world as finders and not feel like oh okay well I’m awake now what I don’t want people to live with that question anymore and to expand it out and I think it has power as a coaching paradigm it has power as a healing paradigm it has power as a transformational function it has power as a skill development pedagogy and all those things can be revealed based on the work that we have to do together or we get to do together so I have a question umi so these different areas that you’re explaining that you just went through the six or seven different areas um I understand the ultimate goal is obviously to bring it into life into our daily life that’s the goal of what we’re doing here um are these something that we do we practice it with our sitting and then take it in or is it something that I don’t know exactly how to formulate what I’m asking or is it something that is like in real time practice you know or maybe probably both but yeah it would be it’s both right and I’m not you know the the seated meditation part is fantastic and everyone’s really strong in that already um you know so I’m not super worried about that I’d be more focused on the things that are happening in real time you know for example I’ll just I can do this pretty quick there’s a being becoming process that’s happening practically and in instantaneous micro moments and in big long arcs throughout our whole lives and there’s four phases and seven stages and it’s basically like what is what must be how do I see myself being what must be and how now let me try it well I gotta try it again well I gotta try it again eventually you realize well now I can do the thing that eventually was a future what must be thing I realize that now but that doesn’t mean I can do it everywhere right now right so now I have to assimilate that skill into other areas of my life and then I have to recognize that I’ve done that so I don’t keep doing work that already is done so I can be like yeah I used to be the one who is here and now I’m the one who is here and fully capable of doing the thing that I didn’t think used to be possible and now I am again now I’m being that again okay well what is I am this what must be well now that I can do that I realize that this is possible and then the whole cycle starts again and so I use martial arts to teach that I use qigong to teach that but basically that’s one of the core that’s like the driving engine of how we create our reality moment by moment and again we’re doing that super simply like what is I’m talking what must be I need to shut up can I see myself being the one who shuts up I tried it but now I still gotta talk because I’m not done with the process right but anything mute all right what is I’m unmute what must be I need to be muted visualize myself moving my arm to the mouse to click the button try it oh I missed try right so it’s it’s happening all the time and we can make it really big and intentional and specific towards skill development or towards transformation but we can also just see it happening constantly and and so getting really used to that um the power in that has been just remarkable for for people who take that on and that’s just one part of aspect a so the thing gets pretty rich pretty fast oh I’ll jump in real quick yeah thank you uh for sharing that that uh you know line so beautifully with so many of my experiences where being with somebody who has more skill than you it’s a lot of power that they naturally help you become more powerful just by being around them just by the nature of seeing what is possible you know uh and you know there’s what is and what must be is I think a really beautiful inquiry as I was explaining to you with a new puppy trying to eat my robes during meditation and watching the arising of frustration and then realizing what must be is compassion because if I’m wrapping myself in the Tathagata’s teaching I can’t be yelling at the innocence that’s trying to connect with me right it’s like you can see how this we are uh recreating ourselves in every moment and having that that choice point and how we want to manifest and embody the teachings that we carry and uh I think it’s really beautiful you know over over the weekend you know somebody had the insight that like sometimes when we carry certain pieces of music that may come from different traditions uh that as carriers of these songs we actually hold the gate open to all the other teachings that come from those various lineages and so I see uh you know what we’re doing here is not only like systematizing uh things that are coming from many different lineages but we’re also keeping those dates open in the world so that people can access all the other repositories of wisdom that exist within them so I think that’s really beautiful thanks for that reflection I do want to say that’s that’s something that I’m it’s easy to kind of misunderstand this is not meant to be its own map or its own system it’s meant to be how do we engage with the things that we choose to engage with in a way that keeps us using them effectively and not getting trapped by them right so it’s like how do we make our own terrain how do we jump into terrain that other people have mapped really well to get what’s useful out of it but not then get so sucked into it that we forget when it’s not become useful anymore right this is and mostly a very meta perspective that applies to whatever trajectory you want to take it to right um so it’s I’m not trying to convert anybody to anything just to be really clear about that research is that anything uh popping for you yet um I mean not necessarily I um I would say I’m probably the uh the least um engaged with a lot of these principles and and um lineages and study from from all of you guys so for me a lot of it is very like uh new I guess um you know there’s a there’s a lot of like words and and things that I I sort of understand but also not it’s not necessarily something I’ve I’ve spent a lot of time with but um I kind of like that uh it gives me a different like lens to look from or look through um and and then simultaneously it’s also like uncomfortable because I’m like yeah I don’t I don’t necessarily know all of these things um that you’re talking about but you know that that’s why I’m here is to to learn more um and yeah I mean it it it kind of excites me a little bit of like having accountability and and stepping into it a bit more um so yeah I appreciate that and um yeah that’s kind of kind of where I’m at yeah thanks for that vulnerability and I was wondering if that would be your experience coming in with not really having prior exposure to how I work or what we’re doing and just getting that one little email so I I appreciate you holding that uncomfortability and stepping into some of the curiosity around that and um when the intention isn’t to get it compressed so we can have a dialogue around what we want to do about it things will open up a lot and we’ll go you know we’ll we’ll go things will open up a lot and we’ll go more into the background information and things will slow down a little bit so appreciate you uh engaging anyway yeah yeah I mean I’ve been around enough through Luke and Kevin and just you know all the other stuff that I’ve done um so yeah it’s just not something I’ve like invested a lot of my um my study into so um yeah I it it’s um yeah it’s it that it there’s a curiosity that’s I guess that’s what that’s what I can say obviously that’s why I’m here so great curiosity is key is that anything you’d like to say yeah I’m kind of jealous of these guys that are sitting in their cars looking at the ocean but you know I can I can see the lake from where I sit right now anyway so um yeah I’m I think I’m just sort of in the this the soaking up stage right now to like okay what’s what is this um I’ve gone over the sheet you sent out a few times um I think I think most of us probably remember uh pin the tail on the donkey a game when we were kids and you know I’m I think I’m done I’m done playing that game at least in my own conscious awareness um it I I cannot overemphasize like what a sort of blind spot it is for me cannot overemphasize like what a sort of blank space that I’ve experienced in the last uh certainly in the last couple weeks um and I think that that’s I’m totally okay with that um and there’s a sense of um wanting to put the pieces back and to get back together and get a framework to do that um and this is quite a possibility for doing that and I’m in really not knowing territory right now so it’s uh it’s a pretty interesting place to live moment to moment um I think a little bit more Kevin I’m not sure what you experienced during your jhana course but it’s it there is to me there is really only the like I have never spent so much time just living in the present moment than I have probably in the last two or three weeks um and that’s that can be pretty trippy um and not dynamic um and it’s it’s a you know uh I’ll leave I guess I’ll leave it there before running down that rabbit hole and um but yeah I’ll just I’ll leave it there thanks yeah thank you and that is that is the thing right how do we how do we put it back together uh right what do we do now um if we’re going to stay engaged in life if we’re going to keep I mean life continues to happen so why not do something with it there’s the idea of I mean the idea of a kind of a six-week thing that we put together to kind of walk through the framework in more detail and leading to kind of a peer group is that generally interesting does anyone have any other ideas that are more interesting like what’s what’s the general sense on what you’d like to see happen um is there an intermediate step between this call and starting that kind of program that needs to happen for folks I would just quickly share that one thing I kind of sense as you were laying it out just like I did last week when you talked about it each of the single a b c d e f seemed to be interrelated to the rest you know so I like the the like the cadence of it at least that once a week you know once a week is like good it feels like I want to hit this while the iron’s hot it feels very alive and exciting for me and then especially in talking with Dave about it you know but that like the parts as not singular and not separate from the whole you know seem relevant so I don’t know I mean I just I’m as you can tell I’m kind of eager to get like let’s let’s let’s go whoever’s in let’s let’s do this thing let’s start let’s start when when things stabilize for Dave and we can kind of actually come together like in the next week or something my thoughts maybe what I was trying to get at is maybe in those calls there could be a degree of acknowledging and referencing how the part a is even if it’s an open framework you know interrelated to this larger perspective that we’re integrating and then and then recognizing as how we share I mean even just the language of what you’ve spoken to today about like how does this fit into your life from moment to moment you know yeah that would that would be the focus and the intention of that kind of training period to put a label on it that’s maybe more formal but I’m great I mean it feels like a training period so awesome I’m in I’ll say that it feels right and still you know just knowing basically all I know about it is just kind of what you explained to me but it does feel right to me and I like the you know I can get into these expansive states like I’m sure all of us here when I’m sitting still on the cushion and then you know when we get up and start going about our day it’s it’s a whole another ball game so that’s where the the Qigong has been helpful and it sounds like this could be really another avenue to to help bring it into real life so we’re not just becoming a good meditator which is kind of pointless to me so I’m in I do have one question do you have all this written out like in a in a document or anything it seems like there’s a lot of information that could could really be studied so I don’t know if that’s in a written format or if it’s just something that would be conveyed over calls I’m in the process of writing it down in a way that it could be shared for the first time I have copious notes and backlog stuff and courses that draw from these different principles but aren’t actually about the principles so you know part of what this does for me part of what I get out of this is a group of people to share this with at the kind of meta level which will force me to articulate it and get all the materials together and and you know produce the handouts and you know so that’s something that is really important and alive for me and knowing that I’m accountable to you to show up with a coherent way to talk about this stuff will really help me focus on getting that done so that’s that’s something that I’m openly selfish going to be selfish about it’s like yes make me please make me share this with you because otherwise I will continue to live in a nebulous cloud in my head and scattered fragments of notes and then you can get transcripts and AI can help you really distill it down so yeah there’s that too yeah that’s the shortcut as far as the calls go what’s the what’s sort of the structure with that is it um is there like practice uh involved in it or is it more sort of um information lecture um you know yeah just trying to kind of understand a little bit about the flow of the call and and like how to harvest and integrate the the teachings um I mean I’m either dropped you what’s the cost yeah I think I cut a little bit out of there I heard what’s the cadence of the calls and then what’s the cost so there was something in between there I missed it um yeah just uh I guess framework or like structure of what the calls look like is it is it primarily lecture um or is there um yeah just what are the calls look like so the way okay I want to answer this by saying everything is emerging in the sense that I want to co-create this with you and serve the needs of the group um and I will say that my bias is to lead with some sort of framework have that framework turn into a micro practice that we to do together have the call end with a try this out for the coming week so that you can really see what it’s like over a period of time come back on the next call we’ll unpack what do we need to clean up from the last call here’s the new framing here’s the new micro practice here’s the new practice for the week and that’s kind of my preferred teaching method um beautiful I think it’s a great way to my preferred teaching method um beautiful I like to make things in the body and as experiential as possible um because the words are beautiful and but that’s not the point the point is to be able to go live it so I want to do that first um I’ll see in terms of cost this is part of my edge I’m not a great um cost setter right um I would like to be paid for this and it’s deeply meaningful to me to get this work out so I don’t necessarily need to be charging like my premium coaching rates of fifteen hundred dollars a month right um so you know I don’t know how you want to do that I’m a zen priest which means that I’m happy to accept it as a donation basis and we can say that you know if we’re doing 90 minute calls having a donation of 100 bucks a call is a fair donation value and if one week it needs to be 50 and in one week it can be 250 and you want to play it that way we can do that if you want me to leave this call and sit down and be like okay what do I really want to do here and I can come back with a follow up email that says something more specific about what I would set a price at if I was running it more like a business offering um so and I’m also happy to hear what you think fair value would be so again this is the first attempt at something like this and I’m not going to try and pretend that I’ve already got all the answers to questions about structure and cost anyone have any feedback they’d like to give into the system about cost or whether you prefer I set a fee or whether you prefer to be able to make kind of a pay what it’s worth donation type of thing I mean it has like so much observable value already for me um the beta aspect the fact that beta aspect the fact that we’re the first group doing it I don’t know I mean um I think I like this sliding scale option as as you know pay what you can um uh and yeah I think that seems reasonable does anyone feel strong aversion to a sliding scale pay what you can model I know some people really don’t like that stuff oh okay well well then we’ll just set it at that um and and uh when we get off this call and I write up the summary notes that’ll be in there I will think of a minimum or kind of like a recommended donation I think I already did um I think 100 bucks for um a call is fine and I also think that if you’re in a situation where it’s only 100 bucks a month and then that’s fine uh you know I don’t want to be too fussed about that part but I do think it’s really healthy to have an energetic exchange um for these types of things so I will figure out how to create a portal for you to kind of do that on your own time and schedule and we’ll just as long as one can do a show of hands agreement does everyone agree to pay something uh for the process great then that seems solid and hopefully at the end of it you feel like you got way more than you paid for it and you’re excited to go share it with other people and build sets and build communities and refer people back and and we we are the beginning of a movement cool is everyone okay with the idea of weekly meetings is everyone okay with the idea of weekly meetings to kind of move through the content with some momentum okay weekly does anyone have um I would prefer not if we’re if we’re ready we’re at the last kind of 10 minutes of our call I would rather us figure out a time and space that we know will work then leave and then have to do a whole bunch of organizing to get six people on a call together seven people on the call together does everyone happen to be know in advance that monday at 9 pst noon eastern is going to be a good time so just jumping in on that umi mondays at nine are great for me uh any other day at the week uh you know I wouldn’t be able to go past say 50 minutes because I’ll have to go work with my client but mondays at nine are wonderful uh I tend to have that day off so good for me as well great good for me and I think especially good if we get it starting two weeks from now yeah I’ll probably be good anyway to get Yosh and Dave a chance to get resettled I think monday is actually awesome what a way to kick the week off you know in community and study and practice yeah I’m gonna do it great yeah that’ll be the sticking point for me I got a fluctuating schedule so I could do next monday but I won’t be able to do the following two after that so um if I’m the only one then that might be uh that might be an issue for me so so Kevin for for this this is not something that I would have a standard business operating protocol I would be willing to flex so that we can meet and have catch-ups to go over the recordings and or give you to the get you a chance to see the recordings and then a chance to have calls to to check in with whatever questions you have that you weren’t able to ask on the call um would that be yeah I mean that would be fantastic if if you’d be willing um I could definitely do the recordings I wish I just have such a unpredictable schedule so I can’t really commit to any specific days and it fluctuates all around so but I could definitely do the recordings and if I had questions if I if you were available you know here and there that would be great yeah well we want to make sure that you’re included and you have the opportunity to engage fully so if that’s okay with you then I’m willing to I’m willing to do that as well especially since it doesn’t sound like if we magically said Tuesdays at nine then you’d be able to make every one so um if we’re going to have this issue no matter what time we set then let’s just work around it that way well fantastic great thank you so yeah yeah thank you all right so well then we are going to say that um two Mondays from now which is Monday the I actually pull up a counter so I don’t say the wrong day fifth yep Monday May 5th Cinco de Mayo all right um we’ll be the first of a series that’ll give me six weeks or that’ll give me a couple weeks to actually get the kind of a curriculum and a program put together so that you have reasonable quality stuff to to work with um and then we’ll meet weekly for let’s plan on six weeks and and if we need to extend then we’ll agree on that as a group um and otherwise I just cannot overstate the depth of like that’s arising in me as I as I feel this start to resonate and take hold and the engaged interests and I’m deeply excited for for what’s going to emerge from this process together so thank you thank you thank you and as a another function of the way that I prefer to run calls I’d like to have a closing kind of circle check-in check out anything that you’d like to say to just come to completion on this part so that you can move into the next part of your day ready to go oh and because we’re doing this part of the reason I like to do that being becoming being we’re coming we’re closing the process we’re being again we’re re-anchoring and I am the one who right so close this open the new thing that’s part of work I’ll just say thanks for for the invitation and for yeah just sharing all that you have and your presence and and for all that you have and your presence and and for everyone for being here so um appreciate it all thanks Reese yeah I’ll echo that also um I’m always amazed with the helpfulness even through Zoom of just being with a community um I know some of you and others I’ve just met so I look forward to the coming weeks and thank you thank you uh deep gratitude to everyone um nice to meet you Reese and Kevin and um yeah I look forward to seeing what unfolds here I’m in thank you yeah I’ll jump in thank you so much everyone I have lots of being and becoming to do with this little guy this week today so he’s been uh eating flowers for the last two minutes so I’m gonna go clean that up and uh but thank you guys have a beautiful day Point Point says hello and uh we’ll see you next time thank you Point Point I love that name yeah I echo what everybody said I’m just I feel really very very very excited and very uh lucky to have you know have your guidance and teachings in this framework and the the generosity with which you share it as and the spirit of that is a part of it you know um so thank you and thanks everybody thanks especially Kevin and Reese for kind of like just coming and checking this out and being stuff that you guys are interested too and Jizai and Nick always great to see you to continue some of this work together awesome all right well thank you all very much and uh I hope you have a beautiful rest of your day we’ll look forward to talking to you again soon you can uh keep an eye out for emails uh Reese will you text me a good email for you just so I can add you to the list and I’ll be sending out some communications uh wrapping up this call and then preceding content for our upcoming call on May 5th and in the meantime y’all know how to get a hold of me so look forward to checking in